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Hi all,
Just a suggestion for a group build for next years Telford Show
How about the Alouette 3 - many possibilities, used by many countries worldwide and there's always the Irish Subject (2 IAC schemes)
Point for discussion?
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Hi Alan, I definitely think it'll be IAC stuff, what with it being the 90th anniversary. I'm not much into helicopters though, and had already started thinking myself of doing a Vampire. My experience of doing the Hawk build this year is that choosing one type of aircraft means that some people won't really want to get involved ( as they're not interested in that type ) and others will do it but not really enjoy it as much as they could ( I found the 1:32 Hawk more of a chore than a enjoyable way to spend my time ). So, maybe, if we go with IAC, but anything IAC ( maybe even WHIF? ) then there should be a lot more choice for modellers? Of course, that still doesn't give much for those who prefer armour or ships etc.? We've plenty of time to come up with a theme, but it's good to get the ball rolling! J.
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I agree with Jason. If the Hawk build taught us anything it is that 'Single Type' group builds can get pretty dull. I'm more in favour of wider themes that allow aircraft from all era's so that everyone has something interesting to do.
I believe there's an unofficial consensus to do and IAC display though because of the 90th anniversary next year, at least that's what I gathered from the meetings. I've been thinking of a Gazelle for myself.
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I think it has been passed on the AGM, but maybe it has been only mentioned, or maybe I have only imagined it. But, yes, the IAC stuff, 90th anniversary and all that... But it doesn't mean that it have to be aircraft only. Basically any and every equipment used by the Army Flying Corps/Irish Air Corps will do, so a lot of potential for armour, figure and car builders too.
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[quote=AlcatrazLogan]I agree with Jason. If the Hawk build taught us anything it is that 'Single Type' group builds can get pretty dull. I'm more in favour of wider themes that allow aircraft from all era's so that everyone has something interesting to do.
Looking at the photos Jason posted I personally found that where there was a good mix of aircraft on display it caught the eye.
Yes I would be all in favour of commemorating the I.A.C. 90th but others may like to display something different.
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The display was very good, very well put together. My point was the process of building the Hawks for the display wasn't fun for many of us; it can be a terribly uninspiring aircraft at times. I'm not being accusatory either by the way, it was a nice idea for a display but it taught us that 'Single Type' group builds can be tough.
Anyway, commemorating the Air Corps for Telford next year wouldn't be the exclusive feature of the table just the central theme, like the Hawks this year. Everyone is free to add their work to the table as far as I know.
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Well, if we'll go with IAC themed display and we'll get table of the same size as this year, there will be no room for any other stuff.
The IAC theme is much wider than it might seem, for example P40B VMoA 'BoogieII', Hurricanes GZoM, NVoG, P2968, Hudson ZSoW, Oxford PH191 and some Dakotas, B17s, B24s and even that cool looking Ju88G-6c in their original livery can be displayed. Aircraft which were flown by IAC personnel or repaired or taken on the test flight by some IAC pilots.
For the armour guys, some lorries, mobile cranes, tankers and so on used by the IAC can be done.
There might be a bit of research involved, but you can pick up a vast array of equippment and colour schemes, even if you do not wish to put Irish markings on the models.
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Hi Philip, I had a look around the Overseas section, and I think ( though I could be wrong ) that France had a larger section. I also heard the there were 2 or 3 tables for Belgium. J.
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Actually, a quick check of this file shows the France, Belgium and Czech Republic had more than one table. Section 198 was the overseas section, and each letter was one table. So if you look at all the 198s on the left hand side of the doc, that gives you an idea of who had what... J.
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Hi Guys
Very Glad to hear the agreed topic should be irish based for next years Telford Table!
And having read the replies to my suggestion and as has been said already it doesnt have to be one particular subject, it can be Irish Air Corp, Irish Army, Naval Service and/or Coastguard in any scale!
Were an Irish Branch of IPMS, we have a Fascinating Subject base with the Irish Theme - Go for it Guys Irish Irish Irish!!
Keep building
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I raised the subject last year re Irish pilots in the BoB as a theme. there are about ten pilots and at least 10 Sqns. Aircraft are mostly Hurricanes Mk1, one Spitfire Sqn and a Blenheim Mk1f
Would that qualify as "Irish"?
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Guys, I think, that you are getting away from the original -and important- point:
In 2012 Irish Air Corps will celebrate 90 years of existence
and as a such IAC themed display was proposed for Scalemodel World 2012. But it really doesn't matter, at the end as, it will be the usual mix and match of god only knows what models - as per usual practice
So maybe we should give up on any talk of 'themed' display of any sort and just pile up on the table anything we can find.
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How many table do we usually get at Telford?
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Well this year we had 1 ( actually two tables put together but what most people would call 1 ). J.
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Well, if we could swing another one of those tables setups then we could use one for an Air Corps themed display to commemorate their 90th anniversary and use the other for non-themed models. That way everyone wins and remains civil.
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Now that sounds like a good idea!
Cheers
Sean
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The thing is, that we are one club and as a such we are getting one unit - be it double width single table or single width double table or whatever.
Guys from CZ have a bit of People's Front of Judea/Judean People's Front situation. They have 'official' Club of Plastic Modellers of CZ and then they have some clubs which are affiliated with IPMS, but not necessary part of the 'official' organization and so it might seem that they are getting more tables, but in fact every club gets only one unit. I think that something similar is going on in Belgium.
From the last email re club tables is clear, that there are more applications for club display space than can be accommodated and so every applicant who gets display area is getting equal space.
Hope that makes sense.
I think, that there is perception that everybody have to put something on club display table and I think that this is not really the case. For example we decide to go with ship and watercraft display. I don't build ships or watercraft and I will not to, so I am happy to go to Telford with one model of mine for the competition and I am equally happy to man the table even though there's none of my kits on the display.
Next year it will be me and armour heads who will rule the display, or if someone has enough of models to do themed display on his own I see no reason why, one year, he shouldn't have the table for himself.
Doing so, club display will be different every year and we'll not see some of the 'well traveled good auld friends' all over again year after year...
That's how I see it - and always did, but I am well aware that this is ideal situation scenario and it will never happen.
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Then perhaps a democratic vote is the best option?
The table belongs to club so we'll let the club vote on what to do with it and no matter which result we come out with we stick with it. We could either hold the vote at branch level and amalgamate the results or set up a poll on the net and let it run for a month or two.
I would like to see this resolved in a fair, conflict avoiding, way.
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Sounds fair enough to me Sean! It would be good to get this decided on quickly, and in a way that people are happy with. It would also be nice to avoid conflict! Then, once it's decided, we'll all have plenty of time for our builds ( those who decide they'd like to build something ) so there won't be stress coming up to Telford next year, trying to get things finished. I do think a table full of only one theme would look better, and the 90th anniversary of the IAC does seem like a good option to go with. Maybe, and this is probably not realistic, we could try a 'table-sized' Baldonnel ( or other airfield, or a generic airfield ) with different builds on it, one large diorama with different eras of subjects in different sections, something like that? It would be very eye-catching. But like you said Sean, lets get some process done up and get it decided! J.
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15 11 2011 To add my two cents worth: We have no say in how many tables we get. We can request as many as we like, but ultimately, it's down to IPMS UK depending upon how many other international clubs/organisations they have to accomodate. We have already put out feelers for two double-depth tables as the show may expand into their new hall once it's completed so it MAY - and I emphaise MAY- be possibleto get more table space next year. The themed display is set around the IAC as it's celebrating it's 90th Anniversary and would be a good thing to do at Telford. As Filip suggested there is a large range of aircraft, vehicles, figures, diaoramas etc that can be built over a wide period of time. So if you don't want to build a plane, you don't have to. Also, this is our central theme...it is not the ONLY thing. If you don't fancy doing an IAC related model, don't. We can arrange other models on another table if we have one or around the IAC display if we get the models to do it. Also Vinny, while it's true that you could build any kit you want in relation to the theme...it makes sense that if one fella or lassie says, 'I'd like to do xxx' that that is taken into consideration so that we DON'T end up with 20 models of the same type. Afterall, how many JU88's found their way into Irish airspace?? To be clear, we're not dictating who should build what. We're all adults here and we all want a good representation for the club. Common sense should prevail. Have a think about it and when you know what you want to build, post it here so we know who is building what and that the themed element of the display can be co-ordinated. Liam
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